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	<title>Comments on: Cigar Review: Rocky Patel Decade</title>
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		<title>By: Sticks</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8856</link>
		<dc:creator>Sticks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Rocky P. and Gurka have cranked out so many average cigars that I don&#039;t even think of purchasing anything from them. Too much hype and not enough substance for the most part. I know that the both of them have some fine cigars but overall they flooded the market wth just so-so cigars at high prices. I am tired of all of they high priced so called premium cigars.  Thanks for letting me vent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Rocky P. and Gurka have cranked out so many average cigars that I don&#8217;t even think of purchasing anything from them. Too much hype and not enough substance for the most part. I know that the both of them have some fine cigars but overall they flooded the market wth just so-so cigars at high prices. I am tired of all of they high priced so called premium cigars.  Thanks for letting me vent.</p>
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		<title>By: Rubix^3</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8816</link>
		<dc:creator>Rubix^3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 22:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Decades I have smoked have all had superb construction and smoking characteristics. My favorite of the RP lineup too. As for C.A.--advertising biased or not, I agree;
how does &quot;blind&quot; tasting get you the Ambos Mundos out of all the Tatuaje line? Very odd indeed.
Otherwise, I have found C.A. to steer me towards some great cigars over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Decades I have smoked have all had superb construction and smoking characteristics. My favorite of the RP lineup too. As for C.A.&#8211;advertising biased or not, I agree;<br />
how does &#8220;blind&#8221; tasting get you the Ambos Mundos out of all the Tatuaje line? Very odd indeed.<br />
Otherwise, I have found C.A. to steer me towards some great cigars over the years.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 18:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Barry:

I am only 3 months into this cigar smoking hobby/obsession. I want to raise some concerns as regards cigar ratings, and would be interested in what you and your readers think about it.
(1) I&#039;m concerned that these ratings affect sales a lot more than they should. It seems the ratings have too much influence.
(2) I&#039;m concerned that the advertisers and cigar retailers misrepresent the ratings of a given cigar by referring to a rating that is so old that no one knows what has happened to the quality in the subsequent years.
(3) I&#039;m concerned that some retailers imply a cigar has a high rating when it was another size entirely that received the high rating, and not the one they are talking about.
(4) I&#039;m concerned that most of the cigars being offered have ratings that are older than 2-3 years, and are suspect.
(5) Is it good for the industry that one publication in particular has so much influence?

The wine industry has 2 separate competing catalog-length ratings publications* that rate many thousands of wines, but we&#039;re lucky if a cigar is rated once every 5 or 10 years. I&#039;m not talking about the very small subset of the most popular premium cigars that are rated every few years.

There are very few current comparable cigar publications. Most of the cigar books date from the 1990&#039;s, and there are no current comprehensive annual publications that rate cigars. By comprehensive I mean covering say 5000 current cigars, and by current I mean published either every year, or every other year.

This leaves us cigar smokers in the dark. We have no current comprehensive authoritative set of publications to guide us.

What do you and your readers feel about the concerns I have raised? (If this is not the best forum to use to raise these questions, what forums do you recommend?)

Yours truly,
Jeff Cohen

*Wine Enthusiast Essential Buying Guide (Annual) (lists 50,000 wines - most are rated)
Wine Spectator&#039;s Ultimate Guide to Buying Wine (published every other year with ratings for 10,000 plus wines)
Wine Report (annual - 432 pages - number of wines reviewed not known)
There are many other authors that publish every few years on a smaller number of wines, for example Parker&#039;s Wine Buying Guide, Hugh Johnsons Pocket Wine Buying Book</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Barry:</p>
<p>I am only 3 months into this cigar smoking hobby/obsession. I want to raise some concerns as regards cigar ratings, and would be interested in what you and your readers think about it.<br />
(1) I&#8217;m concerned that these ratings affect sales a lot more than they should. It seems the ratings have too much influence.<br />
(2) I&#8217;m concerned that the advertisers and cigar retailers misrepresent the ratings of a given cigar by referring to a rating that is so old that no one knows what has happened to the quality in the subsequent years.<br />
(3) I&#8217;m concerned that some retailers imply a cigar has a high rating when it was another size entirely that received the high rating, and not the one they are talking about.<br />
(4) I&#8217;m concerned that most of the cigars being offered have ratings that are older than 2-3 years, and are suspect.<br />
(5) Is it good for the industry that one publication in particular has so much influence?</p>
<p>The wine industry has 2 separate competing catalog-length ratings publications* that rate many thousands of wines, but we&#8217;re lucky if a cigar is rated once every 5 or 10 years. I&#8217;m not talking about the very small subset of the most popular premium cigars that are rated every few years.</p>
<p>There are very few current comparable cigar publications. Most of the cigar books date from the 1990&#8242;s, and there are no current comprehensive annual publications that rate cigars. By comprehensive I mean covering say 5000 current cigars, and by current I mean published either every year, or every other year.</p>
<p>This leaves us cigar smokers in the dark. We have no current comprehensive authoritative set of publications to guide us.</p>
<p>What do you and your readers feel about the concerns I have raised? (If this is not the best forum to use to raise these questions, what forums do you recommend?)</p>
<p>Yours truly,<br />
Jeff Cohen</p>
<p>*Wine Enthusiast Essential Buying Guide (Annual) (lists 50,000 wines &#8211; most are rated)<br />
Wine Spectator&#8217;s Ultimate Guide to Buying Wine (published every other year with ratings for 10,000 plus wines)<br />
Wine Report (annual &#8211; 432 pages &#8211; number of wines reviewed not known)<br />
There are many other authors that publish every few years on a smaller number of wines, for example Parker&#8217;s Wine Buying Guide, Hugh Johnsons Pocket Wine Buying Book</p>
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		<title>By: dj</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8754</link>
		<dc:creator>dj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patch job?! 

See whadda newb I am: I&#039;ve never even noticed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patch job?! </p>
<p>See whadda newb I am: I&#8217;ve never even noticed!</p>
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		<title>By: Drop in quality after a success? &#124; Tobacco</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8740</link>
		<dc:creator>Drop in quality after a success? &#124; Tobacco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 05:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nicaraguan smokes that I ever tried and I still have a couple of cigars from that batch. Yesterday another review of this cigar hit the blogosphere and Barry&#8217;s verdict is not that favorable. We have the same story with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Nicaraguan smokes that I ever tried and I still have a couple of cigars from that batch. Yesterday another review of this cigar hit the blogosphere and Barry&#8217;s verdict is not that favorable. We have the same story with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: rammer</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8731</link>
		<dc:creator>rammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t like Cigar Aficionado.......... very slick and lots of folks who don&#039;t smoke cigars on the covers...i.e. Carmen Zeta Jones...... What is up with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t like Cigar Aficionado&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. very slick and lots of folks who don&#8217;t smoke cigars on the covers&#8230;i.e. Carmen Zeta Jones&#8230;&#8230; What is up with that?</p>
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		<title>By: dmj</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8727</link>
		<dc:creator>dmj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The top 10 of the list to me felt like I was reading the top 10 advertisers for the publications.&quot;

I have to take exception to statements like that; they leave cigar bloggers sounding more like 9-11 truthers than anything else. I should not have to point out that 2 of the top 10 cigars chosen for 2009 were Cuban. And how much advertising revenue do Cuban manufacturers send to CA? That&#039;s a big fat $0. Padron was chosen as number 1; not a huge advertiser, either, if you count the number of ad pages sold to any particular company. Ditto with Oliva and EO (makers of the 601). Ashton is one of the largest advertisers and they came in 9th place.

I don&#039;t understand why people can&#039;t just take the CA reviews as just someone&#039;s opinion just like every other review, whether it be in some other magazine or online? I personally am a big fan of the RP Decade and haven&#039;t had an experience with construction like you did. But I won&#039;t accuse you of biasing your review because Rocky wouldn&#039;t advertise with you. Conversely, looking at the list of cigars on the right, I could accuse you of being in the tank for CAO because they advertise with you...after all every one of their sticks is rated an 89 or higher. But, I won&#039;t accuse you of that because I want to inherently trust people.

Now, regarding CA&#039;s reviews and ratings, I have detected a correlation between what cigar get reviewed and who advertises. I studied the whole ads vs. ratings issue over a couple months and found no correlation between number of pages bought and overall rating, but did notice that is is rare for them to review a cigar when the company making them does not advertise (with the exception of Cuban sticks). If you want to see a real conflict of interest in the cigar publication world, I invite you to check out &quot;Cigar Magazine&quot; sometime. On the surface, most people would like them better than CA because they tend to focus on cigars more, with plenty of related articles and reviews. But then you hear that they are owned by the same company that owns Altadis and you have to take a step back. Even if they tried for independent thought, it would be impossible to ever trust them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The top 10 of the list to me felt like I was reading the top 10 advertisers for the publications.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to take exception to statements like that; they leave cigar bloggers sounding more like 9-11 truthers than anything else. I should not have to point out that 2 of the top 10 cigars chosen for 2009 were Cuban. And how much advertising revenue do Cuban manufacturers send to CA? That&#8217;s a big fat $0. Padron was chosen as number 1; not a huge advertiser, either, if you count the number of ad pages sold to any particular company. Ditto with Oliva and EO (makers of the 601). Ashton is one of the largest advertisers and they came in 9th place.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why people can&#8217;t just take the CA reviews as just someone&#8217;s opinion just like every other review, whether it be in some other magazine or online? I personally am a big fan of the RP Decade and haven&#8217;t had an experience with construction like you did. But I won&#8217;t accuse you of biasing your review because Rocky wouldn&#8217;t advertise with you. Conversely, looking at the list of cigars on the right, I could accuse you of being in the tank for CAO because they advertise with you&#8230;after all every one of their sticks is rated an 89 or higher. But, I won&#8217;t accuse you of that because I want to inherently trust people.</p>
<p>Now, regarding CA&#8217;s reviews and ratings, I have detected a correlation between what cigar get reviewed and who advertises. I studied the whole ads vs. ratings issue over a couple months and found no correlation between number of pages bought and overall rating, but did notice that is is rare for them to review a cigar when the company making them does not advertise (with the exception of Cuban sticks). If you want to see a real conflict of interest in the cigar publication world, I invite you to check out &#8220;Cigar Magazine&#8221; sometime. On the surface, most people would like them better than CA because they tend to focus on cigars more, with plenty of related articles and reviews. But then you hear that they are owned by the same company that owns Altadis and you have to take a step back. Even if they tried for independent thought, it would be impossible to ever trust them.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only smoke the decades and the 1992&#039;s. I won&#039;t even bother with the rest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only smoke the decades and the 1992&#8242;s. I won&#8217;t even bother with the rest</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.acigarsmoker.com/2010/01/20/cigar-review-rocky-patel-decade/#comment-8719</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never had a problem with the decade in the construction department. My only complaint about Rocky is that he makes to many cigar lines that in my opinoin are just average.
The decade is a very flavorful smooth cigar and one of his best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never had a problem with the decade in the construction department. My only complaint about Rocky is that he makes to many cigar lines that in my opinoin are just average.<br />
The decade is a very flavorful smooth cigar and one of his best.</p>
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		<title>By: Drop in quality after a success? @ Cigar Inspector</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drop in quality after a success? @ Cigar Inspector</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Nicaraguan smokes that I ever tried and I still have a couple of cigars from that batch. Yesterday another review of this cigar hit the blogosphere and Barry&#039;s verdict is not that favorable. We have the same story with the Olde [...]</description>
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