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I wanted to talk today about darker cigars in general. The opinions I express are my own and I know some of you will share them and some of you will not. It seems to me that the cigars coming out lately that have a maduro appearance are in a war. The war is who can make the strongest cigar. While I expect certain wrappers to be stronger then others I long for the days when a maduro meant the cigar have a certain sweetness. The obsession lately with the use of ligero tobacco has become disappointing to me as a cigar smoker. Some of these cigars are just about the strength and not about the taste and to me that is a sad thing. I realize that there are people especially in the American market who want a cigar that is super strong but I long for the days of the classic maduro.

Your thoughts?

The Sunday Links…

  • Cigar In Hand smokes one of my favorites the Casa Fuente Double Robusto.
  • Cigar Obsession is a great sight with outstanding cigar photography & reviews.
  • Fire Up That Cigar reviews the budget friendly Tatuaje Serie P.
  • The Stogie Guys share thoughts on the Cuban Hoyo De Monterrey Double Corona.
  • Toms Cigars who was one of the first friends of this site tackles the Carolos Torano 50 Years

Until next time!

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  • dmj

    Strength without flavor and complexity is a waste of my time and money. When companies start to go down that road, I start to lose interest in that company and almost anything they put out.

  • JoshK

    Strength doesn’t have to mean dark, and vice versa. My favorite maduros are typically the milder ones (RyJ Maduro reserve comes to mind). Like was mentioned by commentors above strength for strengths sake isn’t my cup of tea.

  • Derek

    Just like Scotch, sure, the distiller could cut it at 180 proof and put it in a bottle and tell you to drink it…but why would you? Any taste complexity would be completely destroyed by the power of the alcohol…balance is everything.

    I still feel like it goes into the whole American “I’m bigger and badder than you” marketing shoved in our faces. Mr. Tough Guy begs for a stronger cigar because he’s been taught that more is always better and wants to be able to smoke something that the guy beside him can’t. He can then get his daily dose of self worth by telling the guy beside him he’s a more advanced cigar smoker because he can handle the power and taste the “hint of whatever” in the flavor…blah blah ego stroking blah blah…


  • Barry

    For the record I listed it as Dark Cigars because the average consumer just associates Dark with strong. Only the person who is passionate about cigars knows the difference between some of the wrappers.

    Derek : love the rant!

  • Tom

    Barry – First of all, thanks for the link/mention!

    I agree with your statement about this fixation on strength over flavor concerning the ligero topic. We may disagree on my example, but I feel like the Cain is an example of this. I’m not saying it is bad, but it just seemed like strength was priority 1 with this cigar.

    A favorite maduro of mine is the Camacho triple maduro. To me it is what I like about maduro cigars. That sweet smoothness is there, yet it is in the medium to full bodied range that I can even smoke in the morning on an empty stomach.

    Just my .02 of course!

  • dmj

    Just to illustrate how different everybody’s tastes are on these things…the Camacho Triple Maduro is, in my opinion, the poster child for “all strength, no flavor.” I’ve smoked two. After the first I was completely unimpressed and had no desire to ever smoke one again. After reading tons of positive notes I decided maybe I was wrong. I tried it again, and it was better, but it still sacrifices flavor for punch. (The CAO MX3, on the other hand, has lots of flavor and lots of punch, sacrificing neither element.) I pretty much abandoned Camacho after the TripMad. Until that point I had never had an enjoyable experience with one of their sticks so I decided not to waste anymore time or money. I did decide to try the Scorpion at one point…very good, but not worth the $14. Eventually I became a big fan of the Camacho Connecticut (tons of flavor in a shade-wrapped stick…who woulda thunk it?) and consider it to be worth far more than its asking price.

    The Cain, on the other hand, is certainly strong, but it is also uncommonly smooth, rich and flavorful. After smoking all 3 Cain varieties (Habano, Maduro, and F), I was surprised that none of them tipped the scales to be as strong as they were marketed to be. To me, it’s the prime example of how to make a strong cigar–flavor is still the key.

  • Tom

    DMI – Wow that is a perfect example of how subjective this whole reviewing cigars thing is. Not that that is a bad thing. In the end I say if you like it, smoke it! It’s all good.

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